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I'VE CHANGED my MIND ABOUT LAKELAND"
Authored by: processthis on
Friday, July 04 2008 @ 07:30 PM CST
The presentation of this above comment may be confusing, and I apologize. I received this from a mailing list I'm subscribed to. The Ken in question is also a member of that list, and has been posting pro-Lakeland posts for weeks. This is his personal turn-around story. Also, Todd Bentley didn't say "BAM! goes the Word!" but I did, expressing that he's pushing the Word out of the picture and obviously preaching a strange gospel. The rest from Ken is all his, except where noted. The reason I sent this to Tim (thanks for posting it!) is that the "prophetic" flavor of TMC is heading the same way, they love Todd and broadcast his show. Discernment has not been a strong force at TMC, and that's not a mystery. But their determination to retain the weird stuff is a wonder to behold. God might just let them choke on it, unless there is evident repentance and fruit following. Being on the edge of thing for the sake of being on the edge, that's not following the Spirit. I think the "flash flood" that hit Lethbridge on July 1st was a bit of a warning that the time is short... judgment can happen in an instant, unannounced. Blessings, and may the grace of sight be given to those who need it, Andre I'VE CHANGED my MIND ABOUT LAKELAND"
Authored by: The Last Spike on
Friday, July 04 2008 @ 09:42 PM CST
No confusion Andre; it was evident by your presentation of the letter that you were re-posting the words of another. I welcome him back to reality, whether he ever reads this or not. Concerning the MC loving Bentley . . . Bentley first appeared at the MC near 3 years ago. I believe he's spoken there 3 times to date. The MC is totally bought into him and his angels. Here is another Blog concerning Bentley you may find interesting http://blog.trentonadams.ca/2008/03/24/todd-bentley-patricia-king-and-emma-the-angel-of-light/#comment-3007 I'VE CHANGED my MIND ABOUT LAKELAND"
Authored by: Spidey on
Monday, July 14 2008 @ 04:35 PM CST
Here is a link to an interesting "Theological Response" to Lakeland by Dr. Gary S. Greig, PhD., a former Associate Professor of Old Testament and Hebrew at Regent University School of Divinity, and Senior Editor, Theology and Acquisitions for the Regal Publishing Group: http://www.freshfire.ca/UserFiles/File/drGreg_biblicalperspective2008.pdf
I'VE CHANGED my MIND ABOUT LAKELAND"
Authored by: marina on
Thursday, July 17 2008 @ 10:19 AM CST
Here is a link to a theological counter response to Gary Greig's argument for Lakeland by Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what is written by anyone who hails from a university founded by current chancellor, Pat Robertson. I'VE CHANGED my MIND ABOUT LAKELAND"
Authored by: Spidey on
Tuesday, July 15 2008 @ 07:48 PM CST
Criticism about revival is nothing new. Back in the 1700s, Jonathan Edwards, who led the U.S. into the Great Awakening, received considerable objections from his Puritan brothers. Here is his take on the subject (taken from Mike Bickle's book "Growing In The Prophetic") ...
From my understanding of the fruit of the Lakeland Revival, I would say that the answer to all 5 questions is a resounding "YES".
I'VE CHANGED my MIND ABOUT LAKELAND"
Authored by: tim on
Wednesday, July 16 2008 @ 11:25 AM CST
So are you saying that pretty much anything goes as long as these 5 criteria are met? For example, extra-marital affairs of the leaders, homosexual relations, outright lies claiming testimonies are 100% verified when they in fact are not, and whatever else have you.... I thought the Bible made it clear about false prophets and how deadly lies mixed with truth are to believers. Spidey, based on your comment, you're saying the end justifies the means. Didn't I read somewhere about making people twice the sons of hell? Though you describe the scenario surrounding Jonathan Edwards, I must ask, was he ever caught in a lie? Though many may not have agreed with him, did he use false testimony or fabrications to validate his preaching the way Bentley does? I haven't got the time or desire to research this but I'd be willing to bet his only downfall was that the ultra-conservatives didn't like his liberality and willingness to challenge their beliefs. For me, I'll just continue to love the truth and hate the lies. As far as the liars go, they can all burn in hell. After all, that is the promise of Jesus, isn't it? I'VE CHANGED my MIND ABOUT LAKELAND"
Authored by: Spidey on
Thursday, July 17 2008 @ 07:39 PM CST
The 5 criteria are talking about what is the fruit of the "revival." Does the revival 1) bring honour to the person of Jesus, etc. Obviously I'm not, and I'm sure Todd Bentley and the others in Lakeland, wouldn't suggest that "anything goes." As far as what the clip shows, who really knows what went on there? Todd himself is probably not the one who is going to be going around doing the legwork to verify everything that comes in. Was this handed off to another person who didn't do their job but then assured Todd that it was verified? Who knows? Regardless, this incident doesn't negate the work that God is doing in the lives of thousands of people in Lakeland. You certainly can't back up your suggestion that Todd is purposely using false testimony or fabrications to validate his teaching. I would hope he's learned a lesson and is more careful regarding claiming 100% verification of testimonies, but, like I said, that doesn't negate God's work in the revival. I have no false thoughts that I or anyone else is going to change your mind on whether or not Lakeland is a true revival, nor do I wish to. You can believe what you want. But I think it's truly sad that you're so critical of what has been resulting in tremendous fruit in the lives of literally thousands and thousands of people. I'VE CHANGED my MIND ABOUT LAKELAND"
Authored by: marina on
Thursday, August 14 2008 @ 11:08 AM CST
How's this for the fruits of a "True Revival": Todd Bentley has filed for marital separation despite months of marriage counseling! He claims to have resurrected over 30 people from the dead by the power of God, but is unable to keep his own family together. Go figure. It's curious that this announcement comes during his "time to rest and refresh" away from the revival (sound familiar Dick and Joan?), which of course he took shortly after his expose on ABC Nightline. Could the truth about Bentley and Co.'s little revival hoax and healing claims with no documented evidence, after being exposed for all the world to see, been the last straw for his wife? God only knows what she knows about what goes on behind the scenes...Perhaps her conscience, because she actually has one, was interfering in her husband's career. Scandal has followed this man since the beginning. I do believe God can use vessels that are rough around the edges, uneducated, undignified and common. I'm all for that. But I would think that the vessel He chose to draw people to Himself would be a little more like Himself in character and nature, especially in the way Jesus treated those who came to him for a touch from God. Physical abuse is such an inherent part of this man's so called ministry,(kicking an old woman in the face with his biker boot who was seeking healing, banging a woman's legs against a platform, leg-dropping a pastor, choking a man seeking healing, knocking an Asian man's tooth out, punching, kneeing and knocking down sick people and the most egregious assault, kneeing a man with stage 4 colon cancer in the stomach. It's as though his violent past life has not totally been discarded and I can't help but wonder if this behavior caused marriage difficulties. Todd brags about beating up his mother in the past, but after his conversion, when his mother ended up with broken bones, bruises, etc., he claims he told his family that this was the work of "demons". Hmmmm....One has to wonder whether his mother was assaulted by demons or a demonic son. Found this link tracing Bentley's short stint at summoning up the spirits (and stooges) of revival. The silver lining in all this? Todd Bentley's Raging Revival is OVER! Promote THAT Miracle Channel! I'VE CHANGED my MIND ABOUT LAKELAND"
Authored by: Howie51 on
Friday, August 15 2008 @ 08:50 AM CST
Todd will forever have a following - seems that disclosure of outright sin, disobedience, witchcraft, even assault , martial problems (and just plain stupidity) aren't sufficient evidence for many who are still accepting what the "prophet and man of God" has to say. After all, he is the one on stage with the microphone, therefore God must have put him there - and after all "touch not mine anointed" and "do not judge". This sort of stuff happens because the man with the microphone has duped folks into believing the scriptures actually say this. (There is a wealth of teaching on this site to the contrary). After reading the limp excuses on various blogs as to why many insist on defending Todd, they now get a kick in the gut, like the fellow with stage 4 colon cancer who Todd (stupidly) assaulted. The list is endless – do folks now see the light? What does it take for believers these days to discern a false prophet? How blatant does it have to be? I could put my cat on stage and lip sync him with Robert Tilton, and someone, somewhere would insist was annointed of God. Okay, thats a little rash, but I'm making a point. We had better learn to touch and to judge, so go ahead - believe in Todd, and follow him if you must. As for me and my house, we will follow the Lord. Howie
I'VE CHANGED my MIND ABOUT LAKELAND"
Authored by: The Last Spike on
Monday, August 18 2008 @ 06:19 PM CST
Bentley was a fool in Abbotsford, back in 1998, and he is still a fool today. I would like to knee him in the groin, as I feel anointed to lay hands on him (LOL)! I like the idea about your cat! Let's do this thing! Put an animal on stage and lip-synch the dialogue. We'll carry it on till we see revival and then expose the hoax to the mindless sheep. I think that is what is needed to open up their eyes. Two years ago we did something similar at Dominion Conference (sprinkled gold and silver coloured glitter and planted plastic gem stones throughout the conference hall) waited for the fall-out (reaction), and then exposed the charade here on this site. People claiming to have gotten gold dust or found gem stones at the conference soon shut up their silly little stories of make-believe (wanna-believe) when they were finally faced with the undeniable reality they had been duped. (HAH!) I really think the whole talking *censored*-cat (messenger of God) thingy 's time has arrived. I'd love to perpetrate this (LOL) Too funny! As for Bentley he is a stooge and a buffoon. The sooner we stop talking about that loser the better. Amen I'VE CHANGED my MIND ABOUT LAKELAND"
Authored by: peter on
Friday, August 15 2008 @ 11:13 AM CST
Here are some more links:
From Lee Grady (editor of Charisma Magazine): http://fireinmybones.com/index.php?col=081308~Life+After+Lakeland%3A+Sorting+Out+the+Confusion From John Piper: http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/1348_Test_Revival_with_Doctrine Also comments by C. Peter Wagner: http://barryboucher.typepad.com/ministers_matter/2008/08/dr-c-peter-wagn.html |
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Welcome back Ken :- ) (Figuratively & Literally)
". . .Todd was talking about "the angel of the winds of change", who Todd says is responsible for the revival." Sounds to me to be the prince of the air.