Authored by: The Last Spike on Tuesday, September 30 2008 @ 11:02 PM CST

If I may prognosticate, I would presume that should it be established as accurate that Ray is leaving the confines of the MC building, it will be to re-establish Dominion Gateway Center in a new building.  If that proves to be the case, than I suspect the new location will be within the Signet Centre; as Ray is a financial partner along with Glen Hanson in that endeavour.  However, we still have no confirmation on the question as you have posed it.  Wouldn't surprise me though, as it was always the plan that the Dominion Gateway Center would eventually leave the MC Building. 

This harkens back to a previous question I posted months ago, titled "MC & DGC together forever?" I posted it in response to rumblings I had heard from the DGC people suggesting then that the MC had plans for the space the DGC was occupying.  That rumour was summarily dismissed by Peter. 

Either way it looks like the DGC may indeed be leaving the MC.

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Authored by: Spidey on Monday, October 13 2008 @ 09:23 PM CST

If I were to prognosticate, it would be that Ray is looking toward retirement, and will not be moving DGC anywhere.

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Authored by: brdewi on Saturday, April 04 2009 @ 01:12 AM CST

When are people going to learn that the size of their cash donations to any religious endeavour does not help them one bit.  Since MC went on the air, my own wife was socking a lot of money their way, praying for my health amongst others.  Then when we hit the bottom financially, she had to withdraw her support from MC.  That is when she got someone there who told her that not paying a tithe was robbing from God.  As a pastor myself, I saw red.  First of all MC is not a Church, if anything it is a money maker for those that invested in it and for the folks they have buying airtime like Creflo and pals.

When the you know what hit the fan over Dick's affair I knew that donations would shrink.  I have not followed that part too closely as watching a brother sink his own ship is personally reprehensible to me.  I know I am late in replying to  some of these articles and comments, I think it has given me a different perspective.

Keep up the good word with this website.  Someone has to keep the others honest.

 

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Authored by: The Last Spike on Monday, October 27 2008 @ 06:58 PM CST

Retiring so you say.  Hmm, this wouldn't have anything to do with his health would it?  If so, I wonder why the prayers coming out of the DGC, or Ray's many large cash donations to TMC have not pleased God in a way that he would restore Ray's health?!  Perhaps it is more proof that God does not like the MC?!  After all, I know many Pastors that continue to minister the word long after their 65th B'day.  Hey, here's a thought . . .perhaps Ray has finally milked this racket long enough so that he can afford to retire.  It wouldn't surprise me if he had noticed the ship was sinking and that it was a time to grab his and git; he's always been such an astute business man.

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Authored by: Spidey on Tuesday, October 28 2008 @ 12:02 PM CST

First of all, I don't "say" anything. I was "prognosticating" as you were.   Secondly, how exactly has Ray "milked this racket"?  As you have noted, Ray has been an astute businessman for a long time, and he certainly hasn't been in it for money as you insinuate. Nor, by the way, were the Dewerts or the Bennetts or whoever else you may want to bring up from TMC.  If a person's big goal was to make as much money as possible, they certainly wouldn't be in the Canadian Christian TV business! Or church work in any form, for that matter.

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Authored by: The Last Spike on Monday, November 03 2008 @ 08:59 PM CST

I think Dick's previous salary of approximately $90,000.00 per year, and his other financial perks (such as all the write-offs that go along with being the President of a company) certainly paint a different picture, than the one you proffer.  As well, I never said Ray got rich being in Ministry, but even a skinny cow gives a little milk.  I am merely prognosticating that now that the milk is drying up (cow's got old), perhaps Ray recognizes that it is time to leave. 

Greener pastures have fatter cows!

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Authored by: Spidey on Tuesday, November 04 2008 @ 03:28 PM CST

Spike, the Dewerts were making more money than that in secular business 25 years ago. The truth of the matter is, neither the Dewerts, Ray Block, nor anyone else I know from TMC is or was in it for money.

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Authored by: tim on Tuesday, November 04 2008 @ 06:24 PM CST

My, we are so quick to forget... Spidey, just look for the highlighted word "Millionaire" in this article: http://www.themiraclechannel.ca/article.php?story=2005062323481741&query=millionaires.

What's that old saying... oh yeah, "The proof is in the pudding".....

As far as Ray goes, I will not comment on his motives as he hasn't been in the public enough for me to form an opinion. From what I do know of him, though theologically we were worlds apart, he's about the only one who had any ability to affect change and actually made an honest and valiant effort to do it. I must admit, I will be saddened by his departure and I sincerely wish him well in whatever he chooses to do.

That being said, I trust part of Ray's leaving is due to resistance he faced in making some tough decisions and exposing some serious issues to his peers. I also believe that by his departure, it opens the door just a little more to the return of the Dewerts. I could be wrong but it's just a hunch...

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Authored by: tim on Monday, November 03 2008 @ 10:29 PM CST

What's a comment like this all about Spidey? "If a person's big goal was to make as much money as possible, they certainly wouldn't be in the Canadian Christian TV business! Or church work in any form, for that matter." Did you not hear about a little place in Toronto called the Prayer Palace and more specifically, the leader of the organization, Paul Melnichuk? Granted, Melnichuk doesn't have quite the assets of Hinn, Crouch, Robertson, et al, but in the "Canadian Christian TV business", he's done fairly well. Need some more names? I could go on for a while but it's probably a lot of reading that you haven't shown too much insterest in based on your contributions to this site.

As far as Spike's comments: "his other financial perks (such as all the write-offs that go along with being the President of a company)", Spike neglected to mention some of the articles/questions we have posted on the site, such as the one about the "insurance policy" which we still haven't received an answer about and severance costs aggregating $202,000 in the fiscal year that Dick "resigned". As well, what about the revenues Dick and Joan received through "Miracle Ministries International"? Any idea how much that number would be? When the pie is sliced, there are a lot of small pieces that appear to amount to pocket change but when they are all put back together, it's a damn big pie!

It all sounds pretty lucrative to me. It's amazing just how much can be kept out of the public eye if you keep a low profile and cook the books just right.

Here's another question I would like to have an answer to, while we're on the subject of making money and that is Does Gord Klassen draw a wage/salary from TMC while at the same time having his company, Aslan Media Corp., receive commissions for airtime sales? Again, something TMC neglects to let their viewers or donors know (Just how accurate is the show "Behind the Scenes"). If these are things I have found out based solely on financial statements obtained from Revenue Canada, what else is there? I couldn't imagine what I might find if I was privy to TMC's daily operations or even just visited the place for a day (remember, I have never been there and have never met any of the staff, executives or board members). A lot of the information we have provided on this site was even unknown to those who thought or believed they were in the know at TMC.

Just my food for thought.

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Authored by: The Last Spike on Tuesday, November 25 2008 @ 01:11 PM CST

Hmm,

Tim . . . you appear to have quietened the room. 



Spike :-)

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Authored by: Spidey on Tuesday, November 25 2008 @ 03:28 PM CST

The only reason Tim has quieted the room is that it's pointless for some of us to respond, as it's just like we're banging our heads against a wall. Tim appears to not be particularly interested in the truth. He has his mind made up about the finances of TMC and the Dewerts and whoever, and nothing any of us, who know the situation, say makes any difference. As I previously pointed out, the Dewerts were making more money in the business world 25 years ago than they were at TMC. They honestly were not in it for money. Far from it. The Dewerts and everyone I know who has been or is involved with TMC have sacrificed plenty in the financial area over the years, because they sincerely believe in bringing Christian TV to Canadians (and beyond). There is no hidden agenda to try to get rich by fleecing people out of their money.  That's the truth whether you choose to believe it or not.

By the way, Ray Block's last day with TMC was Oct 31.

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Authored by: The Last Spike on Wednesday, November 26 2008 @ 11:29 AM CST

"I am going to make my children and their children millionaires".  That is a quote Dick Oft repeated, in direct reference to the Miracle Channel.  In fact he was so assured of getting rich, he even repeated numerous times that others employed at the Miracle Channel are also going to receive a financial inheritance from himself.  If Dick and Joan were making so much money from his sales job, prior to beginning the MC, why was it only afterwards that they bought a new Lexus, new Toyota 4Runner, built a new house in a pricey area of town, bought the lot next to that house so that his Son In-law couls build a house right next door, provided seed money to his son's architectural business, and reportedly helped others (MC employees) by their homes?  The reality is that as long as I and my family have known the Deweert's they were never more wealthy than when they prospered at the MC. 

Tim brought forward some very strong points which you are unable to refute, instead choosing to argue at only the surface level of this thread.  How about basing your argument around dispelling those points.  If you could - you would.

Spidey you need to pull the wool from your eyes and quit being a mindless sheep.

Anyway, I am happy for Ray that he is retired from the DGC.  I hope he remains in ministry at the Signet Center.

Spike

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Authored by: tim on Thursday, February 26 2009 @ 09:46 AM CST

I guess it must be true as he's no longer there...

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